“Rock
And Roll High School”: Kid Grows Up (1960 – 1979)
Joey
Ramone with the sixteen-year-old Ramones fan-club president.
I was born
in Los Angeles California in a suburb called La Puente. That is
next to the city of industry for those of you who need clarification
- off the 605 freeway. And so I grew up about twenty miles east
of downtown Los Angeles. I guess effectively that is East LA - although
it is beyond what is known as that. Mainly Mexican immigrant suburb
- Chicano if you will. It was a new suburban place when my parents
moved there from downtown Los Angeles. And I was the last of three
children - two older sisters. So I grew up amongst the Mattel factory
and the Kearns tomato and jam factories. You could see two different
drive in movies from the roof of my house. So I was always well
informed in the cinema - even though I didn’t have the sound.
My parents are both second generation Mexican American and they
grew up in Los Angeles in the 40’s and 50’s of first
generation Mexican parents. So, my great grandparents are from Mexico
and Arizona - Mexico City, that is, and the ones from Arizona are
Apache.
So, I grew
up, went to school, and was fortunate to have rock-n-rolly neighbors.
I had a garage band that played in the garage when I was in junior
high like a few doors down from me and I really loved that because
I grew up listening to music. My parents had a really large family,
so the weekends were all about parties and all about family gatherings
and all of my uncles played guitar and there was a lot of singing
and Mexican music - Ranchero style music. And that was the thing,
it was party music weekend, all weekend long and all the kids would
get together and hang out together and defy our parents into doing
trickster things.
I had two older
sisters who were very into music as well. And so I grew up to hearing
everything from the Beatles and The Rolling Stones from a very small
child to things in the neighborhood. A lot of the low-rider music,
doo wop, oldies, a lot of soul and funk music, a lot of Santana,
Jimi Hendrix, and Black Sabbath. Those were the sounds that drifted
in and out of my head as I was growing up. Then I befriended my
garage band friends down the street – they were called “Hogwild”.
And they did different kinds of cover versions. They rocked out
some and they were sometimes a wedding band…and so they would
do like, Chicago cover versions and things like that. But they also
branched out into things like David Bowie and they had interests
in things like the first I’d ever heard of Mott the Hoople
and different 70’s British glam era songs.
And there was
another neighbor of mine who was an artist - an underground kind
of painter and cartoonist. They were like my older sisters age but
somehow I befriended them and they introduced me to more underground
things like comics and R. Crum comics and Frank Zappa and the Mothers
of Invention. And that was kind of my growing up – that was
my introduction to the underground. They were the first ones to
take me to a John Waters movie - to see Pink Flamingos
when it came out. I must have been really young - I don’t
know how I got in! So, early on, I was no stranger to things underground
and that’s what interested me. And from that, I began to be
a big magazine hound – a big music magazine hound. I would
read Creem magazine and Rock Scene and different
things and there I found out about New York City rock. And so, from
these magazines I just saw a lifestyle and people and thought “God,
this is where I really should be“ – and I was probably
was only like 13 or 14 years old and I thought “I really have
to move to NYC - that’s where its all happening and that’s
where all im interested in is.” I was reading about Lou Reed
and about the glam thing, Iggy Pop hanging out at Max’s Kansas
city with Lou Reed and David Bowie. And from that you learned about
the New York Dolls and from that you learned about the emerging
punk scene and reading about the first things about CBGB’s
and about Television and Patti Smith playing there. And I was very
intrigued. Oh, and The Ramones...
And then by
the time I was already an old bag in 1975, Patti Smith’s album
came out when I was fifteen years old and I bought the Horses
album and I really flipped out, like “this is kind of MY sound”
and MY thing… and everything ive dreamed about because I’ve
been reading about it for so long that I kind of exactly what I
envisioned it - but even better. And I was a rock fan and I was
fifteen and I started going to concerts a lot. And then The Ramones
album came out and then I REALLY flipped out – and I was never
quite the same.
I had already
gone to concerts and seen the New York Dolls a bunch of times or
whoever came through, like the Sensational Alex Harvey Band and
just everyone! That was kind of my teenage lineage. And I was getting
older and going out more and started to get drunk and hang out more
- and started making friends with the other people who were also
fans of this music. And I was hanging around a lot with these friends
of mine, Trudy, and these people who ran a fanzine called Back
Door Man, Fast Freddy, Don Waller and TD Fay. And I was already
really into the underground and really influenced by these people
and they had lot of a “pre-punk" - kind of a hard view
of rock music, a really raw view and juvenile delinquency, and different
interesting things to teenagers. There was really no big scene to
support it at the time before the Sex Pistols or whatever happened
- “the punk explosion." This was the first place I heard
about ads to mail away for Pere Ubu’s “30 seconds over
Tokyo” or the first Television single of “Little Johnny
Jewel" on Ork. That’s where I learned about all this
stuff. And then the big punk explosion - the post- Ramones English
thing happened. There started to be local groups and a lot of concerts.
And it turned into something that became like a whole big scene.
So I became
such a big fan, I really became hysterical when The Ramones album
came out. Because that, even more than anything, really was something
different. I had heard the Stooges, The Velvet Underground…The
New York Dolls even. But The Ramones were faster, funnier, and just
the energy was incredible to me as a teenage kid. And I went to
see them play a lot of times and was so enamored with them that
I started a fan club for them, which was basically a stapled together
three-page newsletter. I went to the shows and met people and took
peoples addresses and had them send me a self addressed stamped
envelope. And I remembered this older kind of hippy-ish school teacher-type
guy who let me use his P.O. Box. It was a weird strange community,
before punk was kind of cool or trendy. All these desperate people
- that photographer Jenny Lens– strange people looking for
something new... kids… like a strange mad magazine picture
of people. It was about that very time there were already bands
and, like I said before, fanzines like The Back Door Man that
were raw rock and roll style, Detroit style rock – the pre-punk
thing. Bands like The Motels who became something different at first
- they were a bit much more raw… bands like The Dogs and The
Imperial Dogs. There were two Dogs… I think that was Don Waller’s
band. And they were hard edge… kind of like Stooges-y, MC5
sort of thing. The New York influence was a newer thing than that,
a newer attitude… a newer feeling. It was jet propelled.
So the English
punk invasion happened - the Sex Pistols and The Clash. Actually
the first bands that came to the Los Angeles area- I think were
The Dammed were the very first. I mean, we had Blondie and like
a lot of American bands… like Devo and Pere Ubu and a bunch
of other people who played –and Television. But then a lot
of the English bands started coming… like The Dammed and The
Jam - I think were the first ones and everyone turned out in force
and threw parties and it was crazy, crazy, crazy. This really influenced
a lot of the bands: The Germs for sure, The Bags, The Screamers
- those were the main first bands… The Zeros, I’m sure
there are more… And they just kind of came out of nowhere.
It all came out of - who knows where they came from. And they started
as support to these bands, and a kind of scene arose around that
like The Mask Club - which was a Hollywood basement. I think it
was a rehearsal studio space. And this guy Brendan Mullen took it
over and started hosting punk shows and then a million more band
started cropping up - some bad some good - but it was a scene. It
created a complete scene of people. First it was the hipster glam
people leftovers mixed with the hard rock fans and then it became
more suburban. More kids started coming out of the woodwork. And
things like Slash magazine, Lobotomy magazine.
The San Francisco scene was also, although rivals, happening as
well. And then there was also things coming out of the art schools,
like everywhere.
I was a really
big fan of The Screamers and, since I had fanzine making skills,
I made their newsletter - I was drafted to make their newsletter.
I made a room inside a big walk-in closet in their house and had
a typewriter and diligently typed out my fanzine newsletters. I
was kind of the Rona Barrett of the punk scene at the time. I new
all the inside dish on everything. The Screamers were truly a great
band that there’s actually very little documentation of. But
they were a huge live band and big influence on Los Angeles, and
for nothing else they looked amazing and had an original approach
- which was to not have guitars - before Chicks on Speed. And they
were electroshock treatment and showmen and really great and wrote
great songs and were like an explosion that went into every area.
It went from dorky suburban kids to street people to bad kids to
art students to the very chic Fiorucci fashion crowd. It was a crazy
explosion that happened. So around this time that I was offered
my walk-in closet space at The Screamers house for a nominal fee.
So I moved in with them - which was about probably 1977.
I was in high
school. I was a smart kid, and I was really bored and got really
good grades. So I took a GED test and got out early. My parents
sponsored me, as a graduation present, a trip with the school to
Europe. And one of the stops was London. It was London, Paris, Switzerland,
and Rome. I was like “I’ll finish school if you give
me this trip!” And they were like, ”Okay, Okay…Okay!"
So, I went on this trip and of course I split off from the school
team and I had like one friend, this girl, and we split off and
just went to concerts the whole time and sought out punk rock record
stores in Paris and London. I went to this club, “The Vortex
Club” and I saw The Slits play and different bands. And The
Clash were hanging out and Siouxee and it was all very very very
exciting. I was like 17 - not even 18 yet. And I got a punk rock
haircut and came back to NY at the time and saw The Dead Boys and
The Heartbreakers and went to CBGB’s and went back to LA quite
informed with what was going on.
And it was
about that time that things started getting bigger and bigger. There
were concerts every night to go to. There was The Mask to hang out
at I think most nights. Some nights it would be empty some nights
it would be full. It kind of became a very coherent rock scene going
on there, a lot of craziness, a lot of experimentation… a
lot of drugs and sexual things. A lot of bands - some doing a lot
of “off the wall” stuff, stuff that was stupid and retarded,
and some stuff that was brilliant and great. The Bags were a really
good band - very traditional punk. The girl singer, this girl, Alice
Bag, was really beautiful and totally fire. She was totally aggressive
and fiery and they were really great and a popular band. That was
the start of all of that. A very exciting time.
Then I went
back to New York. I decided I had to go investigate New York some
more. A group of LA punks got Greyhound bus tickets and some drugs
and took a bus trip. I think there were four of us: Me, Trudy, Helen
Killer, and my friend Rod Donohue and Mary Rat - a big Richard hell
fan. She was going to New York to marry Richard Hell.
So we went
to New York and had already met Bradley Field from Teenage Jesus
and Christian Hoffman. The Mumps had been in New York and stayed
there to record and play a lot and were a big hit in LA. And they
very wrongly invited me to come stay with them - not thinking probably
that I would actually show up. But then I called them and said,
“I’m coming to NY can I stay with you?” And they
said "yes." And I went and stayed with Bradley - and his
roommate Lydia Lunch who I didn’t know at the time. And they
were in their band Teenage Jesus. Lydia had an offshoot band called
Beirut Slump who made one single and very few live performances…
harrowing live performances, with the lead singer Bobby Berkowitz.
And (I) stayed there for a good month and, for the first three weeks,
me and Lydia didn’t say a word to each other. Finally we began
talking and she said, “I like you a lot…because you
are such a worse crab than I am.” And that was the start with
my relationship with Lydia - which goes on to this day.
And I just
remember that whole time the Lower East Side was a completely different
place. It look looked like a bomb had hit it. There were many an
abandoned buildings, rubble in lots everywhere, prostitutes at my
favorite place The Restaurant Fried Chicken. Lots of hookers hanging
out there at night and they liked the punk rock kids because the
girls dressed like hookers “Ooh, you’ve got the blue
hair!” And that’s when I was really introduced to The
Cramps, and I saw The Contortions, ... Teenage Jesus. And I made
friends with a lot of the kids that were around - a lot of bands
you don’t hear about like Little Annie and the Asexuals and
The Student Teachers and it was a very fertile time.
I ended up
going to Los Angeles, and that’s when I actually met Jeffrey
Lee Pierce.
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